A380s Uncontained Engine Failure

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A380s Uncontained Engine Failure

Post by Lawndart » Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:18 am

I'm sure everyone has already heard about the Super Jumbo blowing an engine Nov 4. Here's a good article from Yahoo! News today. This sounds like it could have been the Sioux City accident that never happened, and the pilots really deserves a lot of credit.

Human ingenuity saved the day for plane in crisis
Yahoo! News wrote:WASHINGTON – One moment, the super-sized airliner was climbing thousands of feet over Indonesia. The next, the engine exploded, shooting flames and shrapnel through one wing. Computer warnings of impending systems failures throughout the aircraft started flashing on cockpit screens.

That was the position five pilots found themselves in two weeks ago when their Qantas jetliner suffered an extraordinary engine break down that set off a cascade of events. Each one would have represented a serious safety problem on an ordinary day.

The Airbus A380, which was carrying more than 450 passengers and crew, is on the leading edge of a new generation of smarter, more highly automated airliners — planes so sophisticated that they can sometimes even override a pilot to prevent a critical error. But in this crisis, the pilots' quick and creative thinking, not computer programming, landed the plane safely.

"These conditions were a step beyond what the airplane was designed for, and it was the pilots who sorted it out so that it resulted in a safe landing," aviation safety consultant John Cox of St. Petersburg, Fla., said in an interview Thursday.

Richard Woodward, vice president of the Australian and International Pilots Association and a fellow Qantas A380 pilot who has spoken to the pilots, told The Associated Press that the amount of failures faced by the pilots was "unprecedented."

"There is probably a 1 in 100 million chance to have all that go wrong," Woodward said in an interview.

But it did.

Engine pieces sliced electric cables and hydraulic lines in the wing. One of the beams that attaches the wing to the plane was damaged as well. And the wing's two fuel tanks were punctured. The leaking fuel created an imbalance between the left and right sides of the plane, Woodward said.

The electrical problems prevented the pilots from pumping fuel forward from tanks in the tail. The plane became tail heavy, a condition that could have caused the Singapore-to-Sydney jetliner to lose lift, stall and crash.

And then there was that torrent of computer messages, 54 in all, alerting the pilots to system failures or warning of impending failures.

Luckily, two extra pilots, both captains, were aboard the flight on Nov. 4, two of them undergoing evaluation. In all, the crew had more than 100 years of flying experience.

"The computer can only do what it knows how to do," Cox said. "These extreme catastrophic conditions, very rare as they may be, point to the need for very high-quality training and high-caliber individuals flying the plane."

The pilot, Capt. Richard de Crespigny, concentrated on handling the controls, while the others dealt with the computer alarms and made announcements to the passengers, some of whom said they were frantically pointing to flames streaming from the engine. Working flat out, it took 50 minutes for the pilots to address all the messages.

When pilots receive safety warnings, they are supposed to check the airline's operating manual and implement specific procedures. But with so many warnings, the Qantas pilots had to sort through and prioritize the most serious problems first.

It's likely that for some of the problems there were no procedures because no airline anticipates so many things going wrong at once, said John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member.

Attention since the Nov. 4 incident has focused on the Airbus 380's damaged Rolls Royce engine. As many as half of the 80 engines that power A380s, the world's largest jetliners, may need to be replaced, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said Thursday. That raises the possibility of shortages that could delay future deliveries of the superjumbo.

Qantas has grounded its fleet of six A380s.

Woodward nonetheless praised the plane, saying it was a testament to its strength that it was able to continue to fly relatively well despite all the problems. But he also said it's likely reconsideration will be given to the design and location of electrical wiring in the wings.

Airplanes are supposed to be designed with redundancy so that if one part or system fails, another can perform the same function. That didn't always happen in this case, safety experts say.

"The circumstances around this accident will certainly cause the regulatory authorities to take a long and hard look at a number of certification issues," said Goglia, the former NTSB member and an expert on aircraft maintenance.

"What we have got to ensure is that systems are separated so that no single point of failure can damage a system completely," Woodward said. "In this situation, the wiring in the leading edge of the wing was cut. That lost multiple systems."

However, Michael Barr, who teaches aviation safety at the University of Southern California, said a commercial plane can't be designed with certainty to withstand a spray of shrapnel, which can inflict damage anywhere. The proper focus, he said, should be on determining what caused the engine to fail and fixing that problem.

All the experts were agreed on one point.

"It must have been an exciting time on that flight deck," Barr said drily. "It's not something you'd ever want to try again."
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Post by Cobra » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:09 am

This has been big news back in OZ. The crew did a great job. It looks like Rolls Royce have a lot to answer for.

The captain and I flew together on Caribous in the RAAF 30 years ago. The FO is reknown as a **** magnet. Anything goes wrong on an A380 and he is usually involved.

Qantas pilots came out smelling like a rose; so did the systems redundancy on the A380 but as I said, Rolls Royce have some explaining to do.
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Post by Dimebag » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:54 am

Did anyone hear that the day after the A380 engine incident there was a Qantas 747 that experienced engine difficulties as well, at least I think it was engine problems. Additionally, there was a flight that had an electrical short in one of the instrument panels in the cockpit, don't know the details of the incident but it smoked out the cockpit real good.

I used to work for Qantas engineering a few years ago (I was an avionics apprentice, and no I never touched the A380 in question, though I may have worked on the 747 at some stage as I did a stint in heavy maintenance line 2 in Sydney, mascot). It is my opinion that they have had this coming for a while, as deadlines for maintenance schedules, at least for the 767's when I was in Brisbane were always being pushed, and coupled with the fact that we no longer have our own engine maintenance facility (it was shut down just before I left, all overhauls are now done elsewhere) there was a good chance something like this would happen. Regular engine checks of turbine blades are carried out with the use of a boroscope, and believe me they are quite thorough, but they can't check every single blade, I think only certain sections have inspection holes. All of the engineers I worked with were top notch and the practices are done by the book literally, we take these things apart meticulously in heavy maintenance and put them back of course. In time we will hopefully learn what has happened here. As far as the engine manufacturer being at fault (rolls Royce) on the A380, I'm not sure why that would be the case as they are just the manufacturers, the airline is responsible for it's maintenance, unless it was one of those leased engines, that happends a bit.

At any rate, I'm rambling now, hi all, love your work Thunderbirds!
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Post by Cobra » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:09 am

Dimebag, when I am not hanging about here I am flying for Qantas as an A330 captain.

If you think Qantas are the only airline in the world having incidents, then check out avherald.com

RR owns and maintains those engines. Qantas leases them. It is a RR problem.
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Post by Dimebag » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:32 am

Cobra wrote:Dimebag, when I am not hanging about here I am flying for Qantas as an A330 captain.

If you think Qantas are the only airline in the world having incidents, then check out avherald.com

RR owns and maintains those engines. Qantas leases them. It is a RR problem.
Hi Cobra, nice to meet a fellow Aussie here, and a VTB AND Qantas pilot to boot. I guess you are probably right about the leasing thing, RR is accountable if it turns out they could have picked up the failure before it happened. Have you heard any rumours regarding possible causes? I guess at this stage it's anyone's guess. What do you think about the 747 engine failure? Was this also a RR, P&W, or CF6 (can't even remember if 747's had CF6's, been out of the game a while but I assume so)? Very interesting that it happened virtually at the same time.

Btw, any chance I might score a ride in the jump seat? I'll just tell the hosties Cobra said it was ok. I was lucky enough once when I was with the company, for the captain & FO it was any other day but I was stoked.
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Post by Cobra » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:48 pm

The failure was in the bearing for the IPT, intermediate pressure turbine, caused by a oil leak. They made an announcement today about the phased reintroduction of the A380 into service with us.

The 747 failure was an engine surge. It was a RR engine. Engine surges happen from time to time, they look impressive but are generally not a problem.

Sorry but no jumpseat rides for anyone but staff these days... I can't even get my wife or kids into the flightdeck.
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Post by Dimebag » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:01 am

Cobra wrote:The failure was in the bearing for the IPT, intermediate pressure turbine, caused by a oil leak. They made an announcement today about the phased reintroduction of the A380 into service with us.

The 747 failure was an engine surge. It was a RR engine. Engine surges happen from time to time, they look impressive but are generally not a problem.

Sorry but no jumpseat rides for anyone but staff these days... I can't even get my wife or kids into the flightdeck.
Ah so unrelated then.

I was kind of joking about the jumpseat thing, was like that when I was there too. It's a shame really, gotta be a kids dream to sit up front, but security is at the top of the list, believe me I know. They were just phasing in the reinforced cockpit door mods when I arrived and I did a few camera mod installations.
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