Crossover Break?

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:12 pm

Okay guys now I have seen pictures/videos where the right solo is in the back of the crossover break, and I have seen pics/vids where the left solo is behind. By behind I mean when they cross, the aircraft that is farthest away from show center. So I am just wondering how it is determined who crosses infront and who crosses behind.

Post by **Lawndart** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:02 pm

The Lead Solo. . .

I think you almost answered your own question there, when you mentioned the Left Solo and the Right Solo (and I'm not talking about which solo is on the left vs. right inbound over the crowd).

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:23 pm

So lead solo goes behind?

Haha and when I was typing this I knew you would probabaly think that i meant left and right solo, but really I don't know which one is which. I just meant the one on the left/right side of the flightline. haha

STRIKER · Post by **STRIKER** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:53 pm

Lead Solo remains in front. Sometimes that might be the left or right side profile (whichever is lead solo that year) as the Opposing Solo goes off of #5's calls for the break.

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:00 pm

Alright so then if I'm not mistaken that means Maj Weeks on the left side is infront, and Maj Douglas on the right side is behind?

Post by **Lawndart** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:00 pm

You are correct. Combo is on the left side, as the right solo and breaks right, while Tonka is on the right side, as the left solo and breaks left behind her.

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:51 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p-V1_32 ... re=related

Okay LD, this video proves what you said isn't correct haha. At 5:59 you see the break and the left solo (Maj. Weeks) is behind the right solo. I give up! haha

Post by **Lawndart** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:57 pm

No... haha!!!

You still have it backwards. Maj. Weeks is the Right Solo and she is breaking right with the Left Solo, Maj. Douglas in a left turn behind her (in the video you posted).

It's really very simple. The Lead Solo is always ahead. It could be either a Lefty or a Righty depending on the year. A Right Solo always breaks to the right and a Left Solo always breaks to the left, which means a Right Solo will always be on the left as they approach and a Left Solo will always be on the right as they approach for the hit. Confusing? Not really if you think about it...

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:59 pm

No I'm not confused by that part and by left and right solo I mean which side they are on in the video not where they fly in the delta. Watch the video and you will see what I mean...Maj Weeks the solo breaking right breaks behind Maj Douglas who is breaking left.

Post by **Lawndart** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:02 pm

That expalins the confusion. The Solos are titled Left Solo and Right Solo on the team based on their Delta wing, regardless of which direction they may turn or on which side they happen to fly in some of the other maneuvers. So, what I said above still appiles:

"Maj. Weeks, a Right Solo, who's on the left side inbound for the Crossover Break will break to the right and be ahead of the Left Solo, who flew in right line abreast formation inbound and executed the break to the left".

Clear as mud!

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 pm

lol LD this is funny, but I understand completely what you are saying. You are saying Maj Weeks who breaks right, is closer to the crowd or on the inside of the break, correct? Well in that video it is the opposite of that with Maj Weeks on the outside of the cross and that is an 08 vid.

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:07 pm

Or are you saying that Maj Weeks is on the outside, now that I reread it I'm just confused again...haha and I have another ? too but I'll wait for you to finish this one first

Post by **Lawndart** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:13 pm

I give up... I've exhausted ways to explain this!!!???

@FutureThunderbird, please re-read this entire thread. Every reply to your original post says the exact same thing (in different ways) and your '08 video shows (confirms) the same. Maj. Weeks breaks right (i.e. she's on the left prior to the break) and she is ahead of Maj. Douglas (not behind). The Lead Solo is always the one in front.

If you can't get a good freeze frame of the hit from the video you posted, another cue would be the jet which has made a "sharper" turn at the time of the cross, is the one on the inside (Maj. Douglas in #6 pulls a few more Gs).

FutureThunderbird · Post by **FutureThunderbird** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:18 pm

Sorry...

Post by **Lawndart** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:22 pm

I read your reply before you deleted some of the quotes and you hit the nail on the head. Behind means #6 being behind #5, not who appears to be behind from the crowd's perspective.

I suppose we always tend to think like the pilots around here and not like the spectators.